Aleister crowley tool

It is you all who are ignorant, not I. I know everything I need to know about that freak. Seems like a really swell guy. I'm through here. You guys can BS amongst yourselves and share more lies with each other so that you can justify listening to a band who supports that filth. You guys obviously idolize Tool and think they can do no bad and I know from years of experience being a musician that arguing with hardcore fan boys is a rather pointless routine.

SpiralOut34 , PM. I won't argue that Danny Carey isn't an ardent student of the Occult, or deny his deep interest in Crowley's work.

I highly doubt Danny supports ideas such as this, but considering the fact that you've only included these highly concerning pieces of his writings, there is little for us to say, "Ah, this is an understandable point for Danny to be interested in and practice. If you want a personal example of this, if I had only read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, I would've viewed the Christian God as unforgiving, brutal, and arguably cruel. If I had taken something from the New Testament, I probably would be far more forgiving of the actions of that same God.

It is unfair to judge the entirety of the work from singular incidents, and considering few of us have read the writings of Crowley and I imagine those who have don't particularly care to argue these points we aren't seeing all sides of the issue.

But as to the rest of Tool: It would be unfair to presume that all of them support ideas such as this. It would be unfair to assume that all of them were interested in making wine, or going to WWE games, or reading the literature of famous Occultists.

They are individuals and one message from the writings of an author one of them admires does not mean that that message is being conveyed in their music, supported by them as a whole, etc. The men contradict one another talking to reporters when they say albums will be out--you can't expect them to all have the same views on an author, or support his ideas unanimously. While there have been several instances of the band doing things in pictures or videos that suggest their interest in Occultism early on particularly during the Lateralus era they have also grown as people and people's interests change.

Finally, they aren't telling anyone to go out and practice Magik. They aren't encouraging sacrifices, burning incense at concerts that's not what the crowd's smoking, either! From the basic amount I've read about Occultism, it is a particular interest that encourages the individual to learn and make decisions about what they wish to adapt. It has a lot to do with the will of the student and their sincerity, and I imagine rationally speaking, people would also include their moral standpoint when considering things like this and make a decision on that as well.

TL;DR: Not enough information here to make judgments on Crowley, the views of Danny Carey, and certainly not the views of the band as a whole. They're not encouraging anyone to go out and sacrifice their children. If you want to study Occultism, you better be ready to read a LOT of material and parse through that.

Last edited by SpiralOut34; at PM.. Thanks SpiralOut34 for the only thoughtful response here. Even though I disagree. Also, thanks to dancingflame for that link which I'd already seen but I think more people should see it. You guys are why I came back to post, not because of these brain dead fanboys whom I could really care less about because they're too far gone to converse with anyways.

I'm just going to quote ShiningOne Another poster who brought up the same issues in another thread which I recommend people check out. His thread is titled, "Tool and the Occult" "Aleister Crowley was, and I didn't know the guy--do your own research--seemingly a dirtbag of a man.

He was racist, chauvinist, a drug addict and sexual deviant. I've read that his last words were something along the lines of 'I'm an unhappy man. Which it is likely that fanboys of lower intelligence would never actually do the research. It's ok. Keep worshiping Tool. Go back to sleep and everything will be OK. It seems every time I check the Tool newsletter there's something about collecting Crowley crap.

Pretty sad. If I had the chance to interview Tool or Maynard, I'd ask him Why just single out Jesus? If you disagree with his teachings, why do you think that gives you reason to curse him?

But you're never going to get answers to those questions because the only people they let interview them are brain dead fans as well.

But, oh I forgot, he did sing on this number "Muhummad, my friend" with the satanic Tori Amos. Don't even try to defend Tori Amos unless you're a satanist yourself because in case you didn't know she has a song called, "Father Lucifer" and you can read many quotes about her love for satan.

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Anyways, in my opinion they're being really stupid because they're actually alienating a big portion of their fan base who actually use their brains.

I mean we kind of overlooked a few things out of the love that we have for their music and we just don't listen to the songs that blatantly put down the lord like, "Opiate", "Sober", and "Eulogy" because of freedom of speech and maybe we assume that Maynard has matured out of his hatred towards the lord.

But, that can't be it because they still are playing Opiate live. I guess you're just going to curse the lord until you're dead, huh?

Little angry Maynard. You just can't help yourself, can ya? Also, maybe because then we were more of lukewarm Christians and now we're real Christians. And honestly with corruption coming at you from all angles and the future looking very grim Yes, the New World Order is real maybe it's time for us to be spiritually prepared and come to know your lord and savior Jesus Christ.

But, either way, supporting this Aleister Crowley guy should be enough to alienate an even bigger portion of their fans who actually use their brains whether they're Christians or not. It's already been established long ago that Crowley was a nasty guy so there's not much to argue about there. And I've been to 8 Tool concerts so I can very easily tell intelligent Tool fans from brain dead Tool fans so don't even bother replying if you're not a thoughtful person because you will not get a reply from me.

All these fanboys can do is quote my posts without saying anything for themselves. I thought your masters taught you to "think for yourself. They also teach that over thinking and over analysing separates the body from the mind and withers intuition.

J A G , AM. People who use their brains still believe in Jesus Christ? Last edited by dancingflame; at PM.. AllFromOne , PM. I feel the occult is a thing of true beauty to those that can see, an extravagance to those who cannot. However, I also feel that, since AC thrust himself into the limelight concerning his occult knowledge that he simply did not get it. It is said that he died saying "I am perplexed" and mired in the illusory world as he was, I am not surprised.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Come down. Get off your fucking cross. We need the fuckin space. To nail the next fool martyr.

Crowley offers one of the best formulas for attaining a plethora of altered states. There are silver decorations on either side of the hat looking like curled horns or crescent moons, and silver-shining metal on the back of the cloak looking like bat wings or narrowed eyes. Aleister's childhood was not a particularly happy one. His Christian parents, who held belief in God and influential positions in the town, refused to listen or understand him, and considered him stupid for his lack of belief.

Rather than protecting or caring for the boy as a parent should, they were more focused on ensuring that he acted "proper".

They sent him to a strict boarding school, believing that it would place in him the strict spirit and understanding of God's teaching they desired. Not fitting in there, he was repeatedly mocked, criticized and persecuted by both his teachers and the other children at the school. Finding the town a horrible place, the young Aleister grew bitter and frustrated, scornful of the people around him who proclaimed themselves believers and righteous yet acted so foolish and disgracefully.

As a result of his experiences, Aleister developed a strong contempt for the god who was believed to have created the world, one that was easily fooled and could not punish liars, such as the adults responsible for his suffering, who despite their true natures appeared nice on the surface and as such held influential positions in the town, being treated like perfect role models.

He concluded that reading the bible would not lead to the truth, and that when one cast aside their own thoughts and blindly believed the teachings of those who came before, they would only gain the disgraceful behavior exhibited by his tormentors. He decided to find the proper rules and answers which that god could not in order to make the world a better place.

To that end, he sought to reclaim the true path that he considered lost due to foolish blind belief. This desire would eventually lead him down the path of magic.

As a young man, in the last years of the 19th century, Aleister was making progress as a magician. Around this time, witch hunts and propaganda from the church towards magicians had died away, replaced with attacks from the early newspapers. The presence of people who remade old witch rituals with sex and drugs was another reason why this age was fairly shameful for magicians.

Although Aleister was involved in this kind of activity, unlike the others who had merely used the former as an excuse for the latter, he was logically and efficiently achieving results with it.

At the time, the world's largest magic cabal was the Golden Dawn, which sought a unified theory to explain the truths of the world.

With one of the founders having retired due to old age, there was internal competition between the two remaining founders; William Wynn Westcott and Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers. The two had conflicting views on how the cabal and magic should proceed as they worked towards their ultimate goal of discovering a unified theory and constructing a magic work kit that would bring endless possibilities for magicians.

Being of an older age, Westcott advocated tradition and saw a need to compromise, while Mathers wished to see progress, even if it meant going into areas considered taboo and heretical at the time. Mathers in particular wanted his name to be the one associated with the products of the Golden Dawn's research and sought to overwrite the individual pieces the other members had constructed with ones of his own. The Golden Dawn was divided between them, though neither faction had complete control over the organization as a whole.

Recognizing Aleister's abilities and potential, Mathers scouted him and invited him into the Golden Dawn, intending to use the young man's talents for his own purposes. Westcott was reluctant to have Aleister join the cabal and others held similar sentiments. Shortly after he entered the cabal, Aleister performed a Telesma summoning ceremony in the presence of the two founders, the results of which reinforced their own sentiments.

Despite being a relatively new member in the Golden Dawn, Aleister Crowley developed countless spells and spiritual items during his time in the cabal.

Some of his ideas, such as the Aeons , were considered extreme even for the Golden Dawn and as such there were a fair number of people who didn't support them. However there was one man who approached Aleister without ulterior motives; Allan Bennett , a friend and teacher whom Aleister would call his one true mentor. Bennett would teach Aleister Spiritual Tripping , which would become one of Aleister's specialties and his primary offensive magic, as well as the secrets of his Blasting Rod , the true power of which Bennett had disguised so as not to draw unwanted attention from the likes of Mathers and Westcott.

In April , Aleister met with Bennett at his apartment, where his teacher foretold the future death of Aleister's first daughter at a young age from illness. Bennett explained to Aleister about the phenomena connected to this event; the 'sparks' produced from the collisions of the phases , which affect the balance of fortune and misfortune, and subtly influence the lives and fates of people across the world.

He also described how the usage of magic increases the phase collisions and cause more of these sparks, particularly with magic based on unified theories such as the Golden Dawn's Hermetic -based magic. With Aleister resolving to take action against the Golden Dawn for the sake of his future daughter, Allan talked of how those who would survive being struck down by Aleister's power in the coming war would be cursed to live a life where every choice they made would end in failure.

Allan warned Aleister that if he was to curse and destroy the Golden Dawn, he would eventually have to turn the fangs he bared towards them on himself and swallow the poison he had concocted, bearing the same fate as those he had cursed. He also warned him that he could choose to compromise, but if he did then his feelings would grow dull and rusted, and his vengeance would lose its purity.

Having given Aleister everything that he needed and with Aleister understanding the consequences, Allan told Aleister to kill him, as he too was a member of the Golden Dawn.

Aleister reluctantly complied, shooting his teacher in the head with a Spiritual Tripping flintlock gun. Allan didn't resist, telling his friend to take care with his last words.

Aleister subsequently launched an attack on Mathers and a magical battle ensued, with both sides being evenly matched. Angered by Aleister's rebellion, Mathers called him a fool for not sticking with him to receive the scraps of his success and argued that Aleister could avoid his daughter's death by simply not having one to begin with. Aleister responded by questioning Mathers' own reasons for marrying Mina and his look enraged Mathers further.

Remarking on Mathers' true authoritarian nature, Aleister retreated, but he had achieved his real objective; obtaining a sample of Mathers' blood. Having used Mathers' blood to forge a document with his supposed orders, just as Westcott forged a letter from Anna Sprengel to give the cabal prestige during its foundation, [20] [8] Aleister proceeded to 36 Blythe Road, Hammersmith, the Golden Dawn's most important ceremonial ground.

What followed was the Battle of Blythe Road , which would come to be regarded as a crucial but quiet turning point of history by magic researchers. He also stole a number of tools from the armory, including the spiritual item referred to as Blythe Road's Treasure , an arrow made out of a right hand bearing Imagine Breaker. While in the office, he was contacted by Mathers via Automatic Writing and revealed his intentions in making the Westcott faction believe Mathers ordered Aleister to occupy Blythe Road.

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